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Fact 1. The DVD-RAM system is the biggest selling DVD recording system worldwide (over 60% in the USA) & is gaining by the month.

Fact 2.Just look in these forums, not to mention others & there are a number of people who have swapped from philips to DVD-RAM. But NONE...I repeat NONE who have gone the other way.

Fact 3. I have consistantly put out genuin websites about the progress of DVD-RAM, phellings on the other hand has only put out websites based on other peoples opinions. (Not worth a TIT if they can`t see the DVD-RAM system is head & shoulders above the +.

Fact 4. Only top names are going with DVD-RAM. Panasonic, JVC, Samsung, Toshiba, & Hitachi.

Fact 5. I have always written the truth & Facts. phellings on the other hand has doctored events that actually happened to try to make a fact seem nonsence.

FACT 6. Panasonic, JVC, Samsung, Toshiba, & Hitachi. are well known & mostly very reliable makes. Philips & the chinese are not.

Fact 7. DVD- (of which the DVD-RAM also supports) is the cheapest recording medium & is getting cheaper.

Fact 8. DVD-RAM can be edited (like a Mini disc player) so films with adverts in can have adverts removed, bits on the breginning & end can be removed, Camcorder footage can be edited & finished on the DVD-RAM recorder. DVD+ cannot.

Fact 9. DVD-RAM programmes can be erased at any part & the full amount used again. The + system on the other hand cannot be erased & retain the erased portion for use until the whole disc is erased.

Fact 10. DVD-RAM is the official recognised DVD recording system.

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people banging on about supermarkets ie (tescos) gonna push the +r market it dont look like it on there web site check out the descriptions on the panny and the philips which gets the most beefed up if you where a run of the mill joe bloggs looking to replace yer vcr buy a dvdrecorder etc which would you go for !
i love my panny ! it rocks!

My friend from America came to stay with us this week and saw my Philips DVDR880.He said he saw the Panasonic in the USA and was thinking of it.I demonstrated how the discs play in all players and told him and his wife the difference between the two(in a completely unbiased manner,of course).There is NO WAY he will consider the Panasonic system now and was angry the Philips system was not demonstrated.His wife(not a technofile) fell in love with being able to lend or borrow discs that anyone can play.
Convinced??Neither was I .....by this or the above OPINION.

I HOPE PEOPLE READING THESE DVD-RECORDING THREADS NOTE THE ABOVE. THIS IS A TOTALY UNTRUE OCURANCE. IT IS phellings ALTERED VERSION OF A TRUE OCURENCE IN MY HOUSE. THIS IS HOW HE PUTS OUT ALL HIS "FACTS" HE LIES OR DISTORTS THE TRUTH. BELOW IS THE TRUE STATMENT.

"My friend from America came to stay with us this week & saw my Panasonic E 50. He said he saw the philips in the USA & was thinking of it. I demonstrated the time shift & told him & his wife the difference between the two. There is NO WAY he will concider the philips system now & was angry the Panasonic was not demonstrated. His wife (not a technofile) fell in love with the timeslip.
I know hard drive will do this but a hard drive could still crash, a DVD-RAM will not."

Everyone who reads these DVD recorder debates please note the desperation in phellings reply`s. He has turned to attacking mine & others personality & has said some quite rude comments. I post facts he then tries to make them out as not. I am fed up of his (& john 72s comments). I`m up to debate anything but not to have my personality insulted & to have a real happening in my house turned into an unreal event. Moderators I am prepared to put up with any debate & listen to others but phellings has gone too far in turning around a factual happening into a sarcastic comment. I won`t reply in the (DVD+ gains more support )as this would keep putting an infactual message on top.
I believe both phellings & john 72 have a vested interest (beyond the norm in trying to get the philips system going) & I hope the moderators check on this.

I have the worlds biggest selling DVD-Recorder in my house the Panasonic DVD-RAM & I enjoy using it. Anyone who has the philips system & it`s good enough for them I hope they get the same enjoyment out of it & at the end of the day we ALL want to record onto DVDs. (or even hard drives) or whatever comes up in the future. I will always try to help people with problems (as I have by sending the MICO diamente software to them even though I don`t own one). I will happily debate the pro`s & cons of the systems. People interested in buying a DVD recorder go to a shop that has BOTH in stock, take note of what both systems will do. Make sure the salesman is interested in selling you either recorder & is not a REP. Some big chains have SONY, Hitachi & so on reps mascarading as normal shop assistance. Personally the DVD+ system is not good enough for me, but that`s my choice. Buy what you want & even if you don`t need the extra facilities of DVD-RAM remember when you sell it on it is a feature others will almost certainly want. Especially as more & more camcorders will record onto DVD discs & these are DVD-RAM discs, & of course people will want to take the disc out & play it in a DVD recorder/player if it don`t have DVD-RAM it won`t play.

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The latest worldwide DVD recorder sales report an be obtained from
www.panasonic.com/industrial/storage/dvdram/new/press/pr121.htm

"Everyone who reads these DVD recorder debates please note the desperation in phellings reply`s"

Me thinks you`re the one who`s ranting hysterically - you are constantly posting inflammatory remarks about another forum member. I think you need to chill out a bit, mate - life`s too short to try to win an unwinnable argument. You both have valid points, but are trying to outdo each other.

This is an unwinnable debate - you`re not comparing like for like : DVD+ has advantages over DVD-RAM and vice versa. They are apples and oranges - they are different systems. Stop trying to point-score, or post essays about why someone, who dares to have an opposite view to you, is so wrong ! DVD Reviewer likes debates, sure, but not ranting essays which go as far as to suggest that two fellow forum members are some sort of Philips plants - smacks a little of paranoia, mate.

Quite frankly, as I mentioned in my thread yesterday, who cares which is the best, technically ?

Betamax was the best VCR format, but look what happened to that.

The best case scenario is that all three formats (I note neither you nor phellings have mentioned Pioneer`s DVD-R/-RW format !) win through so that consumers can decide for themselves which is the "winner" should there actually need to be one. Remember, it is possible for formats to live alongside each other - look at MiniDisc, cassettes and MP3, for example.

Once BluRay becomes recordable, who cares ? I personaly reckon DVD-RAM, -R/RW and +R/RW will all be blown out of the water. As far as I`m concerned, hard disc drive recording is the best anyway :p (Tivo is king (note, not was - those who got this when it was still available will know what I mean )

In the meantime, Paull, please calm down and put your point of view into perspective. You believe -RAM is the best - good for you. Phellings believes DVD+ is best - good for him.

Please agree to disagree, and move on.

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Tonight I am chilling out, lovely French meal, I`ve just finished cooking. Some white wine. Nice company. Sitting in conservatory until the last light. The solar lights in the mean time light up the garden. Yes tonight I`m gonna enjoy myself. Paul.

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Blue Ray discs will not take over from DVD`s for decades because:

1. The Only Blue Ray recorder in the world cost several thousands of pounds

2. High Definition Television costs many thousands of pounds

3. DVD players/recorders are too well entrenched for that to happen anytime soon. Think how long it will take DVD recorders to replace VHS recorders, then double that time for Blue Ray.

4. DVD+RW as a replacement for VHS is flawed. How many times have you wanted to watch another programme on the same VHS cassette while recording? I am sure most viewers have faced this dilemma time & time again. DVD-RAM recorders overcome that dilemma with time shift, while DVD+RW is similar to VHS in that respect. Also DVD-RAM editing flexibility puts other DVD formats to shame.

5. Both formats could co-exist, but why pay more money for less convenience? The Panasonic DMR-E50 is the cheapest DVD recorder in the UK at present at under £285 (including delivery and multi-region) at www.digital-point.co.uk/dvd.asp & www.rgbdirect.co.uk.

6. Consumers need a compelling reason to dump their VHS cassettes but DVD+RW fails this test. Apart from the pros I`ve already mentioned, DVD-RAM discs in a caddy have a 30 year shelf life and 100,000 writes/rewrites and are excellent for archiving. Also the Panasonic E50 & E60 recorders have QUICKVIEW feature enabling one to watch recordings at 1.3 times playback speed. That`s watching an hour long recording in around 45 minutes!!!

I belive that we all have a right to post, add comments and to be listened to on those forums.

I genally thank that if someone has got facts wrong, then some one must put them right.

I own a Philips DVDR880 and I WILL NOT get rid of it for a Panny simply because when you record onto a RAM disc, it will not play back in another play and there are other reasons why I will not.

RAM, as far as I am consered is not a DVD format, it is in a plastic case, the logical structure on the disc is not the same as a DVD, and no other player can play them.

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Regards, John72.

actualy a lot of new machines are ram compatable (mainly from toshiba pioneer etc) and it`s now fairly rare to see a ram disc in a caddy, although they are still available at a slightly higher cost, and as for ram not being a "dvd format" if i remember correctly it was actualy the first supported home recordable format, and it`s officialy endorsed. however it is true that it`s nowere near as compatable as dvd+rw which is an excelent format in it`s own right.

PEACE

Then why not combine DVD+RW and RAM?? LOL

But there would not be much point in this.

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