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While on the way home yday with the missus - came across a bunch of yobs throwing apples and mandarins at hapless travellers attempting to get out of the tube station. We were lucky not to be hit as a couple of nice policement turned up - and they managed to collar two of the idiots.

They ranged from 10 - 16. Now, in certain countries I am pretty sure a couple of smacks would have been a part of the agenda alongwith a thorough scare enough to make them not do it again. However, all the police could do here was talk - non threateningly of course! :Shock: :Horror: How can they scold kids! That would be the end of the earth...

My question is simple - according to the laws of this hallowed land - how am i allowed to defend myself if a couple of these characters attack me. What will be deemed ok? What will be deemed an attack? Basically - What can I do and what cant I do? Please advise for all agre groups. :)

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i think the simple truth is you can`t.

those kids were (assumedly) underage....

Ste.

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I suppose it depends on your situation. Years ago, in Dudley of all places, the mrs was getting cash out of a cash point. A gang of ratboys were throwing rocks and stones at anyone who used it and one really clonked the mrs on the arm.

I walked up to the group and rather than scattering they just stood there grinning like `Yeah? What you gonna do?`. So I grabbed the closest one and properly bitch slapped him right across the face.

It was stupid really because there were 6 or 7 of them and even though they were only 13 or so they could have set on me like piranhas. Added to the fact that I had just assaulted a minor, it wasnt the wisest thing in the world.

But they were such little bastards I really lost my rag even though I could have been arrested or beaten up. Which, at the end of the day, is the risk you take. If you are just out and about and not near home at all, I would say the latter is far more likely.

If they were over 10 then they were above the age of criminal responsibility so there is no `underage` defence. In terms of defending yourself, the law says that you can use force that the reasonable man would deem proportionate to the threat that you believe to exist. If they are throwing fruit then the level of force you can use is pretty low but the law does extend to defence of another so you could use a small degree of force to `disarm` them but I`d get the advice of someone with more qualifications than an A-Level in law before acting! :)


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I grabbed the closest one and properly bitch slapped him right across the face.
That put a smile on my face NTG. you are a f***ing geezer...

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That put a smile on my face NTG. you are a f***ing geezer... Well that`s one word.... I just thought *sigh* - surely that makes him just as bad as them - worse in fact as he is much older and should know better...

blimey, you really are like the Hulk.
Oh, hang on....

Young or old, gay or straight, black or white...

You throw fruit at me and I`ll f***ing clobber you. You`ve been warned.



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Have a look at this link:

http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=296

I personally think it is right when it says "One can only use as much force as is reasonable in the circumstances …"

Its a case of if you can justify what you have done and any reasonable person would accept that- then your ok.

This item was edited on Tuesday, 15th November 2005, 10:39

It does make me as bad as them. Infact it makes me worse, because I was old enough to know better and i consider myself to be quite an Intelligent chap.

But the caveman instinct kicked in. My woman got hurt and that was that. You would probably do the same, if you get a girlfriend.

Plus it made the most satisfying sound I have ever heard in my life and the look on his face was priceless.

To be honest, when it comes to dealing with little f***rags like that, I gleefully sink to their level. I had one lad saying he was going to get dad round after i told him `Yeah? Well my dog owes your mum f*** money`. And that was about 4 months ago.