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Guess what just happened in America

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021, 19:33

Yes, another mass shooting with 10 lives lost, including a police office.

But here's the kicker. The shooting happened in Boulder, Colorado. In 2018, the city banned assault weapons (& similar) in an attempt to stop any mass shootings happening.

10 days ago, that ban was blocked after groups such as the Colorado State Shooting Association sued the city as the bvan 'infringed on their second amendment rights'. Less than 2 weeks later, 10 people are dead due to that ben being blocked.

The Colorado State Shooting Association?
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“There will be a time for the debate on gun laws. There will be a time for the discussion on motives. There will be a time for a conversation on how this could have been prevented,” the group said in a statement. “But today is not the time.”

I'm just wondering when IS the proper time for a debate on gun control, because now looks like a really good time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/03/23/guns-boulder-shooting-assault-weapons-ban/

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RE: Guess what just happened in America

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021, 19:49

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Pete-MK says...
"I'm just wondering when IS the proper time for a debate on gun control, because now looks like a really good time."

Not sure there'll ever be a good time for some people.

However, even with your information in mind, you might want to consider this information about Boulder, Colorado:

https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/co/boulder/crime

So, you will notice that 1 murder seems to have been reported, but on the flip side has a rape rate higher than the US national average and an assault rate of 1.92 per 1,000 people as opposed to the national average of 2.50.

I would suggest, that although I don't agree with it, that the move against the ban was probably predicated on the fact that Boulder is only safer than 9% of other US cities.

Here's the analysis of this city on that page:

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With a crime rate of 38 per one thousand residents, Boulder has one of the highest crime rates in America compared to all communities of all sizes - from the smallest towns to the very largest cities. One's chance of becoming a victim of either violent or property crime here is one in 26. Within Colorado, more than 87% of the communities have a lower crime rate than Boulder.

Importantly, when you compare Boulder to other communities of similar population, then Boulder crime rate (violent and property crimes combined) is quite a bit higher than average.

Regardless of how Boulder does relative to all communities in America of all sizes, when NeighborhoodScout compared it to communities of similar population size, its crime rate per thousand residents stands out as higher than most.

Now let us turn to take a look at how Boulder does for violent crimes specifically, and then how it does for property crimes. This is important because the overall crime rate can be further illuminated by understanding if violent crime or property crimes (or both) are the major contributors to the general rate of crime in Boulder.

From our analysis, we discovered that violent crime in Boulder occurs at a rate higher than in most communities of all population sizes in America. The chance that a person will become a victim of a violent crime in Boulder; such as armed robbery, aggravated assault, rape or murder; is 1 in 355. This equates to a rate of 3 per one thousand inhabitants.

In addition, NeighborhoodScout found that a lot of the crime that takes place in Boulder is property crime. Property crimes that are tracked for this analysis are burglary, larceny over fifty dollars, motor vehicle theft, and arson. In Boulder, your chance of becoming a victim of a property crime is one in 28, which is a rate of 35 per one thousand population.

I know we agree with regard to gun control but as I've said previously, I really think that ship has sailed over there.

I get that they tried to implement the ban due to the number of school shootings, but that ban doesn't make people feel safe if you're in one of the unsafest cities in your country.

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RE: Guess what just happened in America

Pete-MK (Elite Donator) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021, 20:15

None of that pertains to ownership of assault weapons, and weapons of that type. No-one needs a semi-military-type weapon in their home, and no civilian needs to own one.

Would he have still perpetrated that act with a handgun? Possibly, but his rate of fire would have been greatly reduced, and more people could have escaped before he was caught.

The US is a crime-riddled hell-hole, thanks in no small part to the 2nd amendment and the ease with which anyone can buy a weapons created specifically to kill people. But a home and a person can be protected with a handgun that fires a single bullet at a time. The ownership of assault weapons does nothing but make a person feel invincible, as well as better-endowed, in some obvious cases

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RE: Guess what just happened in America

Si Wooldridge (Reviewer) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021, 21:03

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Pete-MK says...
"None of that pertains to ownership of assault weapons, and weapons of that type. No-one needs a semi-military-type weapon in their home, and no civilian needs to own one."

I think we both agree on that score, but the US gun owner mindset is completely different to ours...

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RE: Guess what just happened in America

Snaps (Elite) posted this on Tuesday, 23rd March 2021, 22:47

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Pete-MK says...
"None of that pertains to ownership of assault weapons, and weapons of that type. No-one needs a semi-military-type weapon in their home, and no civilian needs to own one."
Not only could he have it's arguable the death toll could have been even higher if he had used a pistol in a reasonably confined space.
The regular bogey of 'assault weapons' that's raised is largely cosmetic and 'large capacity magazines' not as relevant as you'd think given the speed with which they can be changed.

I'm afraid Si's right and positions over there are far too entrenched to have any sensible debate. 

They would be far more likely to improve safety by concentrating on background checks and not only who gets them but their level of responsibility if somebody else gains access and uses them.






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