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marksparks999 (Elite) posted this on Thursday, 7th January 2021, 17:19

It is a generalisation, but it really is difficult to recruit, and retain...

I stand corrected on Millennials... change that to those born since the Millennium 

Its probably a lot to do with there are other opportunities out there, and that the world has changed dramatically certainly since the early 80's, if we went back 30+ years ago, if you weren't very academic, you went into manual jobs, many joined the services... the pace of change is only getting quicker.

Today's service personnel today have to be so much more technically able, as weapons systems, vehicles, all admin functions, communications systems are all run by computers/electronics, the starting point in the military today is an extension of education, and certain Levels of Maths, and English are required, and training/CPD through out will nearly always have some NVQ accreditation allowing transfer to civilian occupations.

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Robee J Shepherd (undefined) posted this on Thursday, 7th January 2021, 17:40

I wonder if this is part of the military's problem with recruitment, the sort of tech able people are in demand in the private sector already, and are probably geeky and only want to be part of the military in a computer game?

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RE: I ******g hate people.

admars (Elite) posted this on Thursday, 7th January 2021, 18:24

and years ago police was advertised as a way to drive fast cars, and the armed forces was an opportunity to see the world.

two things, which up until recently became affordable for almost anyone to do, and what you see on the news happening here and abroad is enough to put off the mildly curious.

I don't think you get many ppl these days fibbing about their age to join the army, they're not as naive as they used to be.

I remember as a kid being interested as my dad had served in the army from when he left school (he left before I was born). However, as I got older and realised i may have to kill someone, i decided it wasn't for me.

Luckliy, there are ppl who join the armed forces and  police for the right reasons, and want to join despite being aware of the big picture. Like nurses, teachers etc, a vocation for some, it's not something some ppl stumble into like they used to, because they couldn't do anything else.

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RE: I ******g hate people.

marksparks999 (Elite) posted this on Thursday, 7th January 2021, 19:13

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Luckliy, there are ppl who join the armed forces and police for the right reasons, and want to join despite being aware of the big picture. Like nurses, teachers etc, a vocation for some, it's not something some ppl stumble into like they used to, because they couldn't do anything else.
 certainly not for the money, I took a wage cut for the from retail management for nearly 10 years!

I come from a family of NHS workers, mum and aunts career nurses, and cousins who have followed... the abuse that NHS staff/emergency service workers get is truly unbelievable.

One thing I have seen over the years since mine started school, is how hard teachers work, its not 9-3.30 Monday to Friday with 6 weeks off in the summer, and I suspect any parent who is truly honest will say how hard home schooling has, and continues to be!

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bandicoot (Elite) posted this on Thursday, 7th January 2021, 22:02

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marksparks999 says...I know from recent personal experience, that some recruits have had a shock once starting, some leaving as they didn't like having to work evenings, nights or weekends...

The Military faces the same problem, the youth/young 'Millennials' who should be the recruits of today, are different to those of us that grew up in the last century, they want to work in the warm and dry, and anything over 8 hours a day they think is excessive!

It just the way the youth is today, especially in private enterprise, most of us in the last century worked a full day and got on with it and had pride in their work, but there again their was loyalty expected from both employer and employee, the job was always there the next day for you, if you kept top the rules. People got a constant wage every week in their pocket. People worked for a 40 year pension like myself, But...

Now with no loyalty, no chance of even reaching a 30 year pension, companies that can go bust the next day, part time work,  zero hours work, they can lose their job so easy, there is no stability in a job, they just walk out if it does not suit them.

One of my biggest problems is the younger worker is never off his/her smart phone during working hours or even worse during meetings. They come in late, or even not at all and do not phone in for a reason. I have sacked more workers recently, than ever before, as they just don't care about their work, and when they do work it is shoddy, and I have to tell to correct it. Things like electrical sockets put in squint, is all time consuming and costly to correct. They don't give a rats arse. Pride in work seems to have gone.

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